Dynamic/Static Active RoM tricks

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tyciol
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Dynamic/Static Active RoM tricks

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This one article that Mr. Kurz wrote on FightingArts: http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=256 mentioned some interesting things:
As far as strength is concerned, the specific strength for a kicker is the strength that lets one pack a wallop in a kick, not to hold up a leg! Specific strength for kicking is developed by kicking a heavy bag, kicking into layers of sponge, kicking with bungee cords attached to legs and doing other dynamic exercises similar to kicking.
Most dojos you find will have at least one heavy bag, either dangling from a chain from the celing, or wrapped around a pillar, or weighted to the floor, something like that. I've never seen anywhere with layers of sponge though, has anyone been fortunate enough to find something like that? I've kicked under water before, that's about the only thing you can get for enhanced resistance I think, since filling a swimming pool with gelatin or whatever for these purposes would be just too expensive. Sponge makes sense though, since they fill pits with that when they practise flips for gymnastics and stuff.

Bungee cords would be tough since you need to mount them correctly on the foot and hip (or further up?) to make sure it mirrored the force properly and didn't injure you anywhere. You see that stuff more often for boxing where they wear a backpack with cords coming out of it with handles you grasp onto, but grasping isn't an option for the feet. Is there anything progressive that can be trusted for this?

Even when training with resistance like stretch cords, speed is a variable, so in any case, it would be nice to have a machine (either computer or human controlled) that could measure the velocity, with and without resitance (or with various levels) to measure progress in that way.

Even though training with dynamic is most important, I think static-active is a good thing to train (so long as it doesn't injure, you need strong back muscles as he says) since it builds force production in extreme ranges of muscle shortening which tend to become weak due to over-active insufficiency. Training like that, maybe it overcomes that, or recruits muscles we don't use as much which are not as short so they can generate power. Who knows...

But anyway, one thing I thought about for static-active, along the lines of a partner applying resistance that they take away for "pink panther" or whatever... what about doing it standing on your toes?

Basically, you do the active stretch, and then while maintaining it, slowly rise up onto the toes (ball of the foot) of the base leg. Then, quickly, you drop it down. The first thing to drop would be the leg and the hips, and then the raised leg after that... but what if it did not drop as much? It would already be 'up there' or something, so maybe it'd stay, just a little bit. It's sort of like how you can pull your leg up further using your hands, and then slowly remove assistance from the hands, and tell your leg to keep itself up there longer, or at least slow the descent with control, like an eccentric or something.

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tyciol wrote:Even though training with dynamic is most important, I think static-active is a good thing to train (so long as it doesn't injure, you need strong back muscles as he says) since it builds force production in extreme ranges of muscle shortening which tend to become weak due to over-active insufficiency. Training like that, maybe it overcomes that, or recruits muscles we don't use as much which are not as short so they can generate power. Who knows...

But anyway, one thing I thought about for static-active, along the lines of a partner applying resistance that they take away for "pink panther" or whatever... what about doing it standing on your toes?

Basically, you do the active stretch, and then while maintaining it, slowly rise up onto the toes (ball of the foot) of the base leg. Then, quickly, you drop it down. The first thing to drop would be the leg and the hips, and then the raised leg after that... but what if it did not drop as much? It would already be 'up there' or something, so maybe it'd stay, just a little bit. It's sort of like how you can pull your leg up further using your hands, and then slowly remove assistance from the hands, and tell your leg to keep itself up there longer, or at least slow the descent with control, like an eccentric or something.
I don't follow what you're saying in these three paragraphs. Could you restate your points?

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tyciol wrote:
I think static-active is a good thing to train (so long as it doesn't injure, you need strong back muscles as he says) since it builds force production in extreme ranges of muscle shortening which tend to become weak due to over-active insufficiency. Training like that, maybe it overcomes that, or recruits muscles we don't use as much which are not as short so they can generate power.

Stretching with elastic therabands or tubing is good for strengthening in the “extreme ranges of muscle shortening which tend to become weak due to over-active insufficiency. “ With therabands, both static-active strength and dynamic strength are achievable in the “extreme ranges of muscle shortening,” and I believe both are essential. Such training is extremely important for prevention of injury in any speed power action at the extreme range—sprinting, for example, or the hook kick, where you snap the foot from the target back to your buttock.

Just be careful not to do such dynamic stretching at the extreme range with therabands, cables, universal machine or anything else if your muscles are sore, as this will only set you up for injury, especially if you do such resistance exercises with both speed and power (or resistance too heavy). It is the same caveat applicable to [Kurz’] dynamic stretching—never do dynamic stretching on sore muscles. Also, don’t overdo the reps, and stay within a comfortable ROM. It should feel easy; just part of the warm-up.

For CSta:
To explain “extreme ranges of muscle shortening,“ consider the hamstring when sprinting. Just when the leg is extended almost at the extreme forward position of each stride, the hamstring is already contracting while extending further to set up for pulling the leg back—the muscle is contracting (or shortening) while still extending. This is the point where you are most prone to injury if you have not trained strength into your hamstrings at this length and in a similar action—extending and rapidly pulling the leg back against resistance, both positive and negative.

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Cindy

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tyciol wrote:
I've kicked under water before, that's about the only thing you can get for enhanced resistance I think, since filling a swimming pool with gelatin or whatever for these purposes would be just too expensive.
Try kicking under water wearing big fins on your feet.

tyciol wrote:
Bungee cords would be tough since you need to mount them correctly on the foot and hip (or further up?) to make sure it mirrored the force properly and didn't injure you anywhere. You see that stuff more often for boxing where they wear a backpack with cords coming out of it with handles you grasp onto, but grasping isn't an option for the feet. Is there anything progressive that can be trusted for this?
The simplest elastic tubing or theraband setup involves putting a knot in one end of the tubing and bracing it in a door hinge at variable heights and putting a loop in the other end to wrap around your foot. A cuff fashioned of double sided Velcro can be wrapped around your ankle, wrist, forearm... Use a bandana around the ankle if you don’t have Velcro. I use a wall mounted setup similar to the portable Lifeline Gym Train Station (http://www.lifelineusa.com/products/tra ... unt&detail). See also, http://stadion.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php ... 4517&hilit

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I am still mostly confused about the text in the quote box in your first post. By "extreme ranges of muscle shortening" does Tyciol mean the point where the muscle is as fully contracted as possible during a repetition, for example, does he refer to the point where the bicep is fully contracted when one does a bicep curl? He speaks of "build[ing] force production" in these extreme ranges. I recall reading (I think it was in "Physiology of Sport and Exercise," by Jack H. Wilmore and David L. Costill) that a muscle becomes weaker (it cannot produce as much force) as it nears full contraction. So, I was thinking that Tyciol was saying that static leg raises help you improve the strength of the quads and hip flexors when they are fully contracted, or at least as contracted as their owner can get them when he or she raises the leg.

Also, I don't understand is Tyciol's statement that (assuming the above is correct) muscles in their fully contracted state "become weak due to over-active insufficiency." What is "over-active insufficiency"? That phrase sounds like an oxymoron: insufficient-excessive training, or hyperactive sleepiness.

Now in your post, are you talking about strengthening a muscle when it is fully stretched? It seems to me that Tyciol's reference to a static leg raise stretch (where the hamstring is stretched but is NOT contracting) is different from your example of running where, during a stride your knee is raised (thereby stretching your hamstring) and you contract the hamstring to bring the leg down to push off the ground. Whereas in Tyciol's example, the hamstring is not contracting, in yours it is.

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CSta,
Yes, I see your point and you are most likely correct; perhaps you should ask tyciol. :)

Not to defend my previous post, but it may not matter, with regard to relative strength or injury, whether the muscle is extremely stretched or extremely shortened (as I continue way off topic). In his July 2000 Article 9, Kurz states
… a muscle does not have to be maximally stretched to be torn. Muscle tears often are the result of a special combination of a stretch and a contraction at the same time and neither the stretch nor the contraction has to be maximal. … great flexibility alone will not prevent injuries.
I think I get what tyciol is getting at in paragraph 3 of your question for him. He’s turning the static active stretch into a dynamic activity for just a moment, and adding to it a PNF (proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation) component. So, I think he is right, it does help extend the stretch further, because of the moment of dynamic stretch.

Gymnasts may have more use for that than martial artists, but I practice limited static active stretches anyway, mostly to train balance and control--that PNF thing. Somehow, the combination of dynamic, static-active and other stretching let me practically perform front splits in the air while doing crescent kicks last summer, though I was not even close to nose to my knees in static stretching.

I speak of it in the past tense because this happens to be week one of coming back from a mid-July injury. Wanted to spend the past four weeks conditioning for getting back to taekwondo classes, but acquired a nasty cold virus that had me down and out for three weeks. I make my plans; God makes his.

Barring the unforeseeable, I plan to take my time regaining strength and flexibility, following closely Kurz’ advice, and get back up to speed in taekwondo within a few months. Maybe I should bring out the white belt again just to remind myself to forget what muscle memory recalls. Wish me luck.

Take care,

Cindy

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Over-active insufficiency might be the wrong term (I sometimes get it mixed up) but I meant for that to refer to what you mentioned about muscles becoming weaker while shortened because the fibres overlap too much or whatever it was.

That thing about the fins is awesome! That'd really help focus on plantar flexion too to emphasize hitting with the ball. I bet it really helps with the knee flexion you do during hook or some axe kicks also. It'd really oppose knee extension too.

Moreso during plantar flexion with those isolated knee snaps though because the fin would be in line with the shin, whereas the tip would cut through the water if dorsi flexed.

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