I've heard various people say that their Martial Arts instructor stands or jumps on their knees while they're in the butterfly stretch (Lying on back, heels together and forcing knees to the ground) And if you can't get knees to the ground you have poor ROM of the hip joints and will never do side splits.
1. Is this true?
2. Can anyone who can do side split do this? (without someone standing on your knees)
3. If this is an easy stretch to do for any of you guys, how can i improve on this as i could'nt (with no warm-up).
Thanks.
Butterfly Stretch?
Re: Butterfly Stretch?
sounds extremely dangerous to me.
the butterfly stretch (or groin stretch I think its sometimes called) stretches the same muscles as the side split. To say that not being able to do a 'flat' butterfly/groin stretch means you will never be able to do the side split is absolute rubbish.
Mat
the butterfly stretch (or groin stretch I think its sometimes called) stretches the same muscles as the side split. To say that not being able to do a 'flat' butterfly/groin stretch means you will never be able to do the side split is absolute rubbish.
Mat
Hi.
There is a Yoga adjustment whereby you stand on the thighs with the feet pressing in on the groin. It's supposed to help align the femur. Since the weight is close to the fulcrum, it isn't like standing close to the knees, so it's not as drastic. Even so, it seems a pretty good way to get damage someone if you don't know what you are doing, or end up in court for sexual harassment.
Pavel Tsatsouline talks about an "advanced" stretching method called Clasp Knife, where you get a partner to use force to help you stretch. Allegedly, under extreme load the stretch reflex will stop before the load is big enough to cause muscular or tendon damage. There may well be some science to back this up, but it sounds really dangerous to me. Far better to go slow and steady and get to your goal without a visit to the hospital!
Cheers
Tim...
There is a Yoga adjustment whereby you stand on the thighs with the feet pressing in on the groin. It's supposed to help align the femur. Since the weight is close to the fulcrum, it isn't like standing close to the knees, so it's not as drastic. Even so, it seems a pretty good way to get damage someone if you don't know what you are doing, or end up in court for sexual harassment.
Pavel Tsatsouline talks about an "advanced" stretching method called Clasp Knife, where you get a partner to use force to help you stretch. Allegedly, under extreme load the stretch reflex will stop before the load is big enough to cause muscular or tendon damage. There may well be some science to back this up, but it sounds really dangerous to me. Far better to go slow and steady and get to your goal without a visit to the hospital!
Cheers
Tim...
Tim... wrote:Hi.
There is a Yoga adjustment whereby you stand on the thighs with the feet pressing in on the groin. It's supposed to help align the femur. Since the weight is close to the fulcrum, it isn't like standing close to the knees, so it's not as drastic. Even so, it seems a pretty good way to get damage someone if you don't know what you are doing, or end up in court for sexual harassment.
Pavel Tsatsouline talks about an "advanced" stretching method called Clasp Knife, where you get a partner to use force to help you stretch. Allegedly, under extreme load the stretch reflex will stop before the load is big enough to cause muscular or tendon damage. There may well be some science to back this up, but it sounds really dangerous to me. Far better to go slow and steady and get to your goal without a visit to the hospital!
Cheers
Tim...
I don't think its necessary to use partner in clasp knife. The point of clasp knife is to make your muscles " give in" and enable you to go further in the stretch.
This is very powerful technic, but very little people reach this point.
Thanks for your replies guys, There's no way i'd try that technique... not even if all else fails. i can't remember where i read it now but it was someone knocking this method (isometrics etc) they claimed they'd tryed it for six months from the secrets of stretching video and gained no flexibility and injured their lower back (from isometrics), I'm yet to gain a great deal of flexibility myself but thats down to a strength issue and not the technique, six months to me doesnt sound like a good enough attempt and an injured lower back sounds like a lack of strength training, apparentley they went to the doc's and was told if ur hips dont let you perform the butterfly you'll never do side splits. Since reading this i have realised my hip joints are a bit tight and have worked on it and got results already. I'll spend six years if i have to!
Chingo