Leg raises

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CrazyBoy
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Leg raises

Post by CrazyBoy »

Hi guys! It's nice to be back in the new year! I come with some questions regarding the leg raises. I shall start with the one to the back:
whenever I raise the leg to the back I cannot keep it straight; the knee flexes and the lower leg goes upper than the knee.
Any suggestions?

dragon
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Post by dragon »

I assume you're refering to dynamic leg raises?
This is normal.To be able to keep your leg perfectly straight and raise it up high to the rear would require amazing flexibility of the hip flexors.

Dragon.

CrazyBoy
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Post by CrazyBoy »

Yes Dragon, I am talking about the dynamic leg raises, now the one to the rear. So, what must be keeping me are the hip flexors?
But, does it matter if I can do the front splits?

dragon
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Post by dragon »

Even though you can do the front split i'm going to guess that you're performing the martial arts front split:-rear leg turned sideways.
For a front split with your thigh/knee pointing straight down to the floor also requires great hip flexor flexibility.

Dragon.

CrazyBoy
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Post by CrazyBoy »

Now I understand the difference between these two front splits: one involves the hip flexors more then the other.
I have another question about the side leg raise (yoko keage):from what I understand the basis of the side kick (yoko geri) is the side raise with the sokuto perfectly formed. But I've read somewhere on this forum that in the video Power High-kicks, mr Mac does it another way. Can someone explain the difference?

dragon
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Post by dragon »

Are you refering to an actual side kick or the sidelegraise for dynamic stretches?
Mac performs the side leg raise with toes pointing up.It also seems(although it may be camera angle) that it moves more in an arc than straight up to the side.

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wynnema
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Post by wynnema »

here is the quote from Kurz you are referring to:

Both the leg raises to the side--toes up and toes forward--stretch inner thigh. The toes up raise is shown by Mac on the video “Power High Kicks with No Warm-Up!” (http://www.stretching.info/power.html ) and the toes forward (edge of foot parallel to the floor) is shown on “Secrets of Stretching”
(http://www.stretching.info/power.html ). The one with the foot parallel to the floor transfers better to side kicks done with the edge of the foot. So, if this type of side kicks is what you want, I suggest you focus more. Copy the form of side raises shown on “Secrets of Stretching.” If you can't, do not despair--dancers do nearly only side raises with toes up, but eventually can move their legs any way they please--even with toes pointing forward. If you reach great enough range of motion with toes up you will be able to do a respectable side raise with toes forward

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Post by wynnema »

i sometimes raise up onto the ball of the supporting leg when doing side leg raises. Do you think this is ok dragon or should the foot stay planted?

looking at Kurz photo he is on the ball of his supporting leg, but on the video his foot stays on the floor.

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Heel down gives more control and more powerful impact in the side-raise kick (yoko keage) and in front raise (mae keage). This happens at the expense of a few inches of height but the ROM may be the same or greater in the heel-down form. One can kick with great power moving high on the ball of the foot but only if one moves fast or rushes toward the target (see Mac's front kicks and other kicks on Power High Kicks with No Warm-Up!). This works well with fast footwork of boxing.
Thomas Kurz
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CrazyBoy
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Post by CrazyBoy »

I asked this because I needed to know the difference between these two forms of side raises (Yoko keage). I know that the one with the Sokuto perfectly formed is the basis for the side thrust kick (yoko geri kekomi), but I didn't knew why Mac does it this way. It's all clear now.
I have another question regarding the side raise:
- whenever I have my students do the side leg raise, I show them your way Mr Kurz: to begin at hip height, with a palm to the side, to find out the correct allingment. This is for slow, controled 5-10 reps, afterwards they increase the speed and height at command.
Am I doing right? Please say, cause this will flow into my next question.

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CrazyBoy wrote:I have another question regarding the side raise:
- whenever I have my students do the side leg raise, I show them your way Mr Kurz: to begin at hip height, with a palm to the side, to find out the correct allingment. This is for slow, controled 5-10 reps, afterwards they increase the speed and height at command.
Am I doing right?
Yes.
Thomas Kurz
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CrazyBoy
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Post by CrazyBoy »

I am glad I am doing ok, mr Kurz. I asked this because I had a little misunderstanding with my instructor who suggested to the students to get rid of the "palm at hip level" cause they will learn the bad habit of always balance themselves with their hands. I didn't agree because I know them and I know they (well some of them) still have problems finding the correct allingment.
Which is better: with or without the "palm at hip level"?

CrazyBoy
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Post by CrazyBoy »

Ok, forget about my previous stupid question! I guess the answer Mr Kurz gave is available too. Sorry for repeating. Well, I started doing daily the leg raises: to the front, back and side and began feeling some popping sounds in my hip joints. Can anyone suggest something? Or have you guys felt this before? Thanx

dragon
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Post by dragon »

I know i have experienced this before(and still do).I remember some of the other members mentioning this also.
If it actually causes pain or feels unstable get it checked out for joint abnormalities.

Dragon.

CrazyBoy
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Post by CrazyBoy »

Well, it doesn't cause any pain or any bad feeling, just that I'm feeling a little weird. Did mr Kurz ever felt this?

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