Lack of progress with side split

Post questions and tips on making your stretches or your whole flexibility training most effective.
jrlefty
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mmeloon wrote: Take heart in the fact that by stepping back and focusing on basics, you are advancing to a new level in your development as a martial artist. In the first few years of training in your art, there is an understandable tendency to focus on how much flashy stuff you can do and make it to black belt level as fast as possible. Once you get to the black belt level, that's usually the point at which people start to settle down a bit and realize that they need to get back to basics.
-Mark
This is so true. I myself am a Deputy Black Belt (one level below 1st Dan) and it was until I achieved this rank that I had come to realize what was going on. I had always had my doubts about the training in the back of my mind as I was advancing but the experiences that ive had and the research that ive done did not come together until just a year ago.

Now I also have begun to wonder if this is the unwritten style of training older students any martial art. When you train young students, before they turn into teenagers, it is much easier because they have so much energy which transfers into greater athletic ability and flexibility and are more receptive and do whatever there teacher tells them. As they grow older they have already have grown to respect there teachers and follow what they say and through the years of training have the athletic ability and flexibility that makes a great martial artist.

Training teenagers and adults seem to be a little harder because they do not have as much energy, they are clouded with more distractions like school, work, life and they tend to be more stubborn about things and act like they know it all. So is it more fitting to just let them do what they want to do and see if they can come up with this realization on there own. It's like my father who would let me drive his 1972 skylark in big empty parking lots to let me get the fever out. I was so restless to take that car and race it everywhere I went so he would take me someplace safe and let me get it over with. Now after a while, I no longer have that urge anymore and focus more on safety.

So is it that people like me and Moe who started training so late in our lives that we are doomed to be ignorant to the truth until we are ready to accept it? It's something that I will keep looking into because I definitely want to someday teach a school of my own. Right now I train my fellow students and sometimes teach a high school tkd club twice a week during the school year.

I've definitely gone off topic here so I would at least like to give Moe one last bit of advice if he is still around. The next time you are in a full split again and want to get a little lower, lower your upper body so that its about parallel to the floor and do some very slow pushups. It should take you about two seconds to complete one rep. This is not bouncing. This is more about shifting your bodyweight from your hips to your shoulders and back again. Again do this very slowly and you might be surprised at what happens. try about fifty pushups in this position.

I'm glad I finally convinced you to work on strengthening your body so you can achieve your goal of having your these splits without a warmup. Just try to remember that you right now can only come close to your splits after you stretch for a period of time so to totally relax your body and muscles. It's obvious we cannot keep this level of relaxation throughout the day because the muscles tighten back up after you stretch sometimes within minutes after the stretch. It will take many things including strength training to control the your muscles so they can relax at will. Just keep at it, you will not be disappointed.

have fun,

Jrlefty
"If you love life do not waste time because time is what life is made of"-Bruce Lee

Moe
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Post by Moe »

Man Lefty, I don't know how to say this but you really know how to post useful things :wink:

I agree with you on how some of us only realize the REAL meaning and work of martial arts until we reach a certain level.

It is always on my mind too if we are stuck with on our current level of performance because of our age and whether we'd get past it.

As for the splits, i am tryin your idea and a new thing too. With your idea i noticed i am going lower with each 10 set of push ups! But the pain is increasing with that too! haha! I drop into how far I can go into a side split then I relax for the first 15 minutes, then I would take my hands off the floor and hold them behind my head and shift the weight to my legs. It is hard but I can manage another 15 seconds with this method, it feels like an isometric stretch because i have to tense my muscles to support my weight. Do you think this would work?
"Believe nothing that you hear, and half what you see." -Bruce Lee

jrlefty
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Moe wrote:With your idea i noticed i am going lower with each 10 set of push ups! But the pain is increasing with that too! haha! I drop into how far I can go into a side split then I relax for the first 15 minutes, then I would take my hands off the floor and hold them behind my head and shift the weight to my legs. It is hard but I can manage another 15 seconds with this method, it feels like an isometric stretch because i have to tense my muscles to support my weight. Do you think this would work?
Not really. I remember Kurz was asked a similar question from either one of the questions and answers or in the forum where someone would relax stretch first and then would proceed to isometrics because he wanted to start lower and Kurz told that person that it was not a good idea. I wish I could remember why he said no but I can make a suggestions why. Maybe because your tensing your muscles right after you just relaxed them to your flexibility limit and that could lead to an injury because you are going from one extreme to another.

I feel that I might have made a mistake in telling you these relaxed stretching techniques because you still are focusing on relaxed stretching to reach your goal.

Have you ever taken physics? I took a entry level course in it and learned about atmoshperic pressure. Basically its states that everything on earth is being pushed to the ground by this pressure and that our muscles work together to fight this down force. Call it gravity or whatever, but something is definitely pushing us down all the time and it takes the strength of our muscles to fight it. If you understand this then hopefully you can understand why relax stretching CANNOT help you achieve your goal alone.

Just take a look again at the side split flexibility test picture that Kurz has of himself because this simple picture explains everything that he is trying to say. He props his leg on the chair and displays half of the side split. Why doesn't his stretch reflexes fire up and prevent him from doing half of the split? He even states with this picture that no muscle runs from one leg to another. So what does this mean? Why are we prevented by our bodies to do the other half of the split when this picture and human anatomy clearly states that our legs have enough elasticity to do the split?

I think that I have given you enough information to become enlightened to this "Secret of Stretching", now it is up to you to accept it and get to work. It is one thing to know the truth and its another to understand the truth.

Study the picture,

jrlefty
"If you love life do not waste time because time is what life is made of"-Bruce Lee

jrlefty
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"If you love life do not waste time because time is what life is made of"-Bruce Lee

Moe
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Post by Moe »

Hey guys i'm back!
Lefty, I just noticed after the 1 month vacation i am able to slide very deep into the side split without warming up! To the level where i used to slide when i warmed up for at least 15 minutes!! i am excited, i believe it is the rest that i took which leaded to this result.

This is encouraging me to work even harder and dip into the world of isometrics more.
"Believe nothing that you hear, and half what you see." -Bruce Lee

jrlefty
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congrats and keep up the good work.

be well,

jrlefty
"If you love life do not waste time because time is what life is made of"-Bruce Lee

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